Morning Free Association, August 11

Honestly, I don’t have anything for you.

There’s no real news to report. You can read this article by Dan Rosen and get angry about what he says about the chances of Jimmy Vesey going to the Bruins.

Or, not.

There’s other hockey stuff that isn’t interesting. So, I think I’ll just post some Bergygrams for you all because I can.

I’m sure that Patrice is having a great summer, kicking back, practicing a million face-offs and shots on his private rink at his home in Quebec,

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possibly enjoying his Jacuzzi,

and taking great care of Zack, aka Baby Bergy.

Yes, Patrice is probably having a perfect summer.

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Satan81
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Patrick Roy resigns as head coach and vice-president of hockey operations of the Avalanche:

http://www.tsn.ca/roy-resigns-from-avalanche-organization-1.544058

Satan 81's Sister
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Sometimes I get grumpy. Then I remember Khudobin is a Bruin again and it makes me less grumpy.

Thetallest81
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Thetallest81

We gave him a sock! he is free!

carvinbass18
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Word is Islanders' Garth Snow was in Foxboro for a look at Jimmy Vesey last night. #VeseyWatch

— Mark Divver (@MarkDivver) August 11, 2016

well that’s mildly unsurprising

Satan81
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*quickly looks at the Fishsticks’ depth chart*

Satan81
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Can he beat out Kulemin and Parenteau?

carvinbass18
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Parenteau, most likely

carvinbass18
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So we just had a huge customer tour come through with the VP of EFI Inkjet Solutions (the whole printer manufacturing group) & our chief technical officer were in tow. Man those people better spend a shit ton of money after that kind of treatment. We never see Scott (the VP) on the floor.

Satan81
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Another thing to consider about Vesey is that expectations should be tempered.

The list of Hobey Baker winners:
http://www.collegehockeynews.com/stats/record/pts

The list of NCAA scoring leaders:
http://www.collegehockeynews.com/stats/record/pts

Some big names in there for sure, but there are a lot of players in there who didn’t pan out. It’s definitely still worth taking the chance of Vesey because of the cheap contract.

carvinbass18
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Haahahahah Chuck Kobasew

Satan81
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Any team would be happy to get 600 NHL games for a 3rd-round pick. He had a lot of injury problems, too.

Dr. Medievalist
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Oh Patrice, how I love thee…

My diploma frame came in the mail yesterday. I’m still waiting on the actual diploma, but the frame is here and ready for it! The frame is also super big. I’m going to have to rearrange what’s already hanging on my wall. I think the Orthodox icon of an Evangelist and a print of one of the illuminations from the Lindisfarne Gospels are likely candidates.

Muse got me with a meme on Facebook yesterday. I’m still embarrassed.

Ka’u Coffee in the cup. It’s time to sip the Big Island. grin

Satan 81's Sister
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Morning all. Congrats to Ainslie Gardner!

Ainslie Gardner is our lineswoman tonight. First woman to line an AIHL game! #awesome #bleedorange #AIHL

— Melbourne Mustangs (@Mustangs_Hockey) August 11, 2016

Satan81
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They should drop the “linesman” and “lineswoman” thing and just call them zebras.

Satan 81's Sister
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In the AIHL they should wear gray and be called koalas.

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Good work here, everyone.

Satan81
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aaaaaaand recch

carvinbass18
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Recch

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carvinbass18
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Happy thirsty thursday ya’ll

  • I disagree with Rosen on being scared off by the direction they’re going big time. Sweeney’s put pieces in place to succeed in the future, maybe only a year away and Vesey could be a huge part of that. Saying the Sabres are a team on the rise in Vesey’s age range & the Bruins aren’t is a wash. Vesey & Spooner could be one hell of a 1-2 punch just as much as him & Eichel. Maybe I’m overvaluing the Bruins prospect future, but man does it just look bright now.
  • That all being said, I firmly believe that any team in the hunt for Vesey has an equal chance at signing him still.
  • I don’t like all the negativity with Boston & Vesey, that can shut the hell up and quickly. We deserve nice things too!
  • GV softball drops another one to fall to 4-12 on the season. Blah, although the game was fun at least.
  • Had my first coffee in 10 days this morning. Man was I tired. Water & troubleshooting stupid problems on tap today.
  • Thetallest81
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    Thetallest81

    I was reading an article about the Vesey interest and the overaall theme is is is coming down to between toronto, boston, NY and Chicago. Toronto has the coach and skilled youth to make it an exciting team to be a part of for years to come, plus his brother and father are in the system. Boston is his hometown team and he has always shown interest in wanting to play for his childhood team, but the fact that they are on the downward slope from winning cups and the uncertainty and turmoil in the upper office may dissuade him from signing. Whereas Chicago is still a cup contender and he gets to play with top star talent. …And NY is NY.

    My whole question is, Is Chicago really any better off than boston going forward? Their average age is 29 with most of that being Hossa, Campbell, Rozsival while Boston’s is 27 (and a half) and most of that is Chara and Liles.

    Keith and Seabrook are 33 and 31 signed until 2023 and 2024. Hossa is 37 signed until 2021. With Kane and Toews eating up 21Mil between the two of them their cap space is going to be tight going forward. I assume that in a few yeas Vesey is going to want to get Paid.

    Comparitively Chara is 39 with only two years left on contract, the only thing that makes Chicago slightly better is their top stars are still under 30, Bergy, Krejci, Backes are all over 30, but you still have Marchand, Pasta, Krug and Beleskey under 30. Rask is two years younger than Crawford at 31..no big deal for a goaltender.

    I guess in the end is, Just because they still make the playoffs and have a good team this year does not mean you as a player are going to be making the cup with that team going forward. Ontop of that if you feel you have the skills to be a top 6 forward and expect to get paid after your entry contract is over, is a team that has half their team locked up till 2024 really oging ot be able to pay you the money you want?

    For a writer to just assume that Chicago is more desireable because #ChicagoCUPS….that seems like a pretty poor analysis.

    Satan81
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    Chicago is desirable because the 2nd-line LW position, currently occupied by Richard Panik, is totally up for grabs. For Vesey, it’s about putting himself in the best position for his second contract, which comes down to ice time. Today’s THN article:

    http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/vesey-narrows-list-to-handful-of-teams-as-he-approaches-free-agency/

    My comment:

    Two key parts here. The first is “how a team treats their players in the second and third contracts down the road”. With his ELC being pretty much the same (give or take some bonus clauses), a lot comes down to how much money he can get in his second contract.

    In order to give himself the best position for his second contract, it comes down to the other key part: “We’ve looked at depth charts with some teams and talked about them”. How much he can get in his second contract is heavily dependent upon how much ice time he can get. That could put the Bruins out of the running, as Vesey would have to steal a spot from Marchand or Beleskey in order to get 1st-line or 2nd-line ice time. Stealing Richard Panik’s spot in Chicago shouldn’t be a problem and beating out Soshnikov for a 2nd-line LW job in Toronto is a possibility. The 2nd-line LW job in New Jersey appears to be up for grabs, too. Earning top-six minutes in Buffalo could come down to what Buffalo does with Evander Kane, and similarly with the Rangers and what they do with Nash.

    Thetallest81
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    While i dont disagree, What is the TOI difference between a Chicago second line vs Boston 3rd line? If Vesey does slip to Chicago’s 3rd line he is looking at 6 min a game, where as spooner got 15:00 average last year, grated a lot of that was DK injury.

    Theres also nothing saying that Claude wouldnt go as far as to put Vesey on DK’s line and Beleskey on Spooner’s, you never know with Claude.

    carvinbass18
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    I think Vesey could slide into the #2 LW spot with how well Spooner & Beleskey worked together. If you could go Vesey – Krejci – Backes that’s an incredibly balanced line,

    Satan81
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    I’d love to see it, but is it better for the Bruins to have Beleskey on a line with Krejci?

    And something for Vesey to consider is the likelihood of ups and downs in a rookie season, especially with the longer NHL schedule. If he’s on the Bruins and goes on the schneid for a bit, he loses his spot to Beleskey and has to earn it back. If he’s on the Blackhawks or Devils and goes on the schneid, there isn’t much of anyone to steal his 2nd-line minutes.

    Thetallest81
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    I honestly think Belesky’s success depends on who his other winger is, not so much his center. Backes is a great follow up guy to get the rebound when Beleskey makes a drive to the net, though technically that is also what Hayes should be good at from his FLA numbers.

    I think Beleskey will create plays and space on his own, I think Vesey would thrive with the puck coming of DK’s stick. I honestly like the Idea of Backes in front of the net with Vesey shooting and DK setting up the play.

    Thetallest81
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    Thetallest81

    Marchand – Bergy – Pasta
    Vesey – DK – Backes
    Beleskey – Spooner – Hayes
    Vatrano – Acciari – Randell

    I am good with that.

    Satan81
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    I remember DrHandgrenaid being really, really not good with Spooner and Hayes on the same line, and has a lot of statistical analysis behind that, but I don’t know the full scoop myself.

    Thetallest81
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    hmmm…i dont see how you are going to get away with that this year unless Spooner is no longer your 3rd line C. I dont see DK getting 3rd line….I suppose you could try Beleskey -DK- Hayes…but that put Backes on 3rd.

    Marchand – Bergy – Pasta
    Vesey – Spooner – Backes
    Beleskey – DK – Hayes
    Vatrano – Acciari – Randell

    or

    Marchand – Bergy – Pasta
    Vesey – DK – Hayes
    Beleskey – Spooner – Backes
    Vatrano – Acciari – Randell

    oof.

    MadScientist72
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    How about:
    Marchy – Bergy – Backes
    Belesky – DK – Pasta
    Vesey – Spoon – Hayes
    Vatrano – Acciari – Randell/Senyshyn

    That could potentially move us from a 1a-1b-3-4 arrangement to a 1a-1b-1c-4.

    Thetallest81
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    Doesnt help with the Spoon-Hayes issue Dr. Doesnt like.

    carvinbass18
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    I’d like to see a Vatrano – Acciari – Hayes line

    Also we’re forgetting about the Riley Nash signing playing on the 4th line too

    Thetallest81
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    Yeah thats fine as long as you get a productive 3rd line RW …from somewhere. I cant see that Claude is gonna fill that with Nash or Randell.

    carvinbass18
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    Hayes needs to be opposite a shooter. That bang bang rebound dirty work he does he does very well.

    Thetallest81
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    Thetallest81

    Marchand – Bergy – Backes
    Beleskey – Spooner – Pasta
    Vesey – DK – Hayes
    Vatrano – Acciari – Randell/Nash

    Then you lose TOI for DK, unless you split those two lines even time.

    MadScientist72
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    I was kind of envisioning a more or less even split among the top 3 lines (hence the 1a/1b/1c thing). Besides, with his recent injury history, I’m not sure that DK isn’t now our 3rd-best center.

    carvinbass18
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    #Carlshrug.

    Thetallest81
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    If only PC wasnt a fuckhead.

    Marchand – Bergy – Seguin
    Vesey – DK – Backes
    Beleskey – Spooner – Pasta
    Vatrano – Aciarri – Hayes

    Chara – Boychuck
    Dougie – Krug
    C. Miller – Quaid
    K.Miller

    Rask
    Doby

    *droools*

    MadScientist72
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    I seriously doubt we could’ve kept everyone on that roster & stayed anywhere close to under the cap.

    Thetallest81
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    The only thing that would throw the monkey wrench is really Boychuck @ 6 mil.

    If they signed him instead of Seids, youd have the Seids money off the books however.

    All of that is taking into account who we got via trade and so forth for those people too…theres no mixing and matching except Maybe Hayes which you could argue was part of the smith trade which was part of the Seguin trade.

    Thetallest81
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    So even if Hayes didnt happen on 4th line…ehh its 4th line and thats 2.3Mil off the books.

    Ill see if i can do the math.
    Marchand – Bergy – Seguin = 17.125
    Vesey – DK – Backes = 14.175
    Beleskey – Spooner – Pasta = 5.675
    Vatrano – Acciari – Randell = 2.185

    Chara – Boychuk = 12.91667
    Dougie – Krug = 11
    C. Miller – Quaid = 3.75
    K. Miller = 2.5

    Rask + Doby = 8.2

    Total = 77.53 Mil

    Assuming Dougie would have left anyways because he is a lil bitch …71.77667 Mil on that roster right there, and thats assuming Boychuk doesnt sign for cheaper to stay in boston.

    Satan81
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    His cap hit was only $4million/year, and they didn’t exercise LTIR in 2012 and 2013.

    http://stats.nhlnumbers.com/teams/BOS?year=2012
    http://stats.nhlnumbers.com/teams/BOS?year=2013

    Satan81
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    Just think if Matt Cooke wasn’t such a fuckhead. Could’ve had a healthy Savvy for several more years.

    Thetallest81
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    Thetallest81

    Seriously. A healthy Savy would prolly have brought at least one more cup in my mind.

    carvinbass18
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    I doubt Senyshyn has grown enough outside of the offensive game to jump to the NHL based on several podcasts I’ve heard Luedeke do.

    carvinbass18
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    Or you could bump Hayes to the 4th line, move Randell to 13th forward & roll maybe Danton Heinen at 3RW

    Satan81
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    Or Hayes goes to the fourth line. Doubtful that it happens, but who knows.

    Thetallest81
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    Thetallest81

    and Randell moves to 3rd?

    Satan81
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    Maybe Heinie?

    Satan 81's Sister
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    Hehehehe. Heinie.

    carvinbass18
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    Ha. How’s the space in my head?

    Thetallest81
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    Thetallest81

    Smith is a UFA…lol… I mean we still have money (ish) for a 3rd liner FA. There are people out there…but…eh.
    ..who you gonna go after …Jones…Versteeg…Boyes…Doan…Vrbata…

    Thetallest81
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    Thetallest81

    Ah ok, either way…I mean its not like Hayes was dead weight, he had 13 goals and 16 assists. Anyone out there is going to cost 5 mil or give you ice time with 5 goals a season.

    I really think he just needs a more consistant line without being shuffled every week.

    Thetallest81
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    gotcha, yeah i just put out a few names to show that…unless we find a diamond in the rough the options to move Hayes to 4th with someone better is…limited.

    And maybe Beleskey – DK – Hayes is your fix for the black hole of puck posession of Spooner-hayes.

    Vesey – Spooney – Backes could be a good line.

    Vesey – Spooney – Pasta would be fun as hell but would give Claude anxiety beyond belief, that would give you Marchand – Bergy – Backes.

    Thetallest81
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    Thetallest81

    and lets be honest other than Vrbata…or trade for Doan’s last year…who is out there that youd really want/afford on your team that is more productive than Hayes.

    Satan81
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    I don’t want any of the UFAs out there, to be honest.

    carvinbass18
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    Pretty sure Doan resigned in Arz too

    Thetallest81
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    Thetallest81

    fanager says one year left in 2016-17 for 3.8m, i am sure you may be able to get a trade for that if they dont look like contenders.

    Satan81
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    I mentioned last week that Chicago and Toronto would have to do some serious cap space juggling to land Vesey, even though he’d only be getting the max ELC (plus bonus clauses). Writers haven’t been bringing that up, and I’m wondering what moves either team could make to free up cap space.

    Chicago:
    http://www.generalfanager.com/teams/chicago-blackhawks

    Chicago’s three cap problems are their bonus overages (most of which comes from Artemi Panerin), Panarin being an RFA at the end of the season, and Marian Hossa’s NMC.

    Toronto:
    http://www.generalfanager.com/teams/toronto-maple-leafs

    Toronto has $56,000 in cap space. Yes, fifty-six thousand. Unless they can put someone on LTIR, they’d have to find someone to take one of their contracts. They just spent the trade deadline and draft day moving players, and I’m not sure if they can move anyone else.

    Oh and they still need a backup goalie.

    IntentionallyWidenberg
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    Chicago really seems like an attractive place for a young player of his skill. The chance to play with Toews, Kane, etc., and possibly actually play with Toews as a line mate is rather enticing. Especially on a team that is in the cup race for real, right now.
    The cap crunch isn’t really his problem – he’s not the GM, and Bowman has been working some crazy ju-ju to keep the team under cap for some time now.

    Satan81
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    I agree, there’s a lot that’s attractive about Chicago for Vesey. The cup-is-half-empty view is that Chicago’s Cup window is slamming shut. That might not matter to Vesey, or even be a benefit, as he might get more ice time because of it. There’s playoff ice time possibly factoring into it, too, at least for this season.

    carvinbass18
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    I do know this, damnit if he takes his sweet time making a decision after the 15th i’m going to go ballistic

    Satan81
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    If we get Vesey then great. If not, we have other players to be excited about. And we want defense anyway.

    carvinbass18
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    Agreed. However: #AnyoneButChicago

    Satan81
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    Well there’s that, yeah. I think Buffalo is allowed to have nice things even though they’re division rivals.

    carvinbass18
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    I wouldn’t mind him going anywhere that’s not Chicago or New York because it’d be a bunch of fun watching. NJ just doesn’t make sense to me at all, there not a good team yet and I struggle to think of their pipeline that can make them good. Toronto would be a bunch of fun with all that youth & speed

    IntentionallyWidenberg
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    NJ doesn’t make any sense to me either – I guess Vesey knows the A-GM, but the team is further from being good than most, there aren’t a lot of great players and Newark sucks.
    Their biggest strength is lots of cap space, which is meaningless to a guy coming in under ELC rules.

    MadScientist72
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    I think “Newark sucks” should really top that list of cons.

    Satan81
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    It’s a really short train ride into Manhattan!

    Satan81
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    NJ’s biggest strength is the 2nd-line ice time they can offer Vesey.

    Thetallest81
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    Honestly, I think id do boston because its always been a dream of mine. Once the contract is up, maybe then i consider a free agency signing with Toronto if it looks like they are finally not screwing things up.

    UnstableElement
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    Good morning!

    I was really hoping for my mother in law to not cancel her plans last night so I could have a few hours to myself. But of course she cancelled them. I like her, I just needed a break from having to work then immediately entertain. Sleep and repeat…

    Olympics have been fun so far this year. I hate that there’s so many moral issues around them, because they really are fun to watch.

    carvinbass18
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    I hear ya. Sometimes ya just need to crack a beer and take a break.

    Satan81
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    I wish the coverage in the US wasn’t entirely about American athletes, swimming, and gymnastics. I’d like to see other nations and other sports, like Moldova competing against Paraguay in javelin catching, or whatever else goes on at the Olympics.

    MadScientist72
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    I’m rooting for Team Refugee this time around.

    Satan81
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    *applause*

    The Once and Future Bagel Bruin
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    Satan81
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    Holy mackinaw!

    Dr. Medievalist
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    I mean, you can, if you dive deep down the list of NBC affiliates. But yeah, Primetime is always going to have the “big” events.

    As a former swimmer – I love that there’s so much attention paid to the swimming events. It’s happy time for me! grin

    UnstableElement
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    Handball!

    Satan81
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    Denmark vs. Argentina on Sunday was nasty!

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