Morning Free Association, November 3

A roundup of Bruins news:

  • David Backes has been cleared to skate.
  • David Pastrnak returns to the lineup tonight.
  • Danton Heinen was assigned to the Providence Bruins
  • A bunch of older players had the day off yesterday: Rask, Bergeron, Marchand, Krejci, Chara and Liles
  • We learned that little Zack Bergeron is walking. No word on whether or not he learned to skate first.
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    Long-Winded Striped Mofo
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    Long-Winded Striped Mofo

    In other news – We’re not hating the Habs enough.

    MadScientist72
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    MadScientist72

    True. No matter how much Habs-hate you have in your heart, there’s always room for more!
    To help everyone out, here are a couple of classic Habs-hating moments:

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    MadScientist72
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    And, to semi-quote Cato the Elder, “Ceterum autem censeo [Montrealem] esse delendam!”
    (Yeah, I know, Cato said it about Carthage not Montreal, but it still works.)

    MadScientist72
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    MadScientist72

    Among goalies with 3 or more GP, there are only 3 that are still undefeated. The Bruins really need to commit themselves to ensuring that Tuukka stays on that list until after the other 2 drop off it – especially since the other 2 are Al Montoya & Carey Price.

    Thetallest81
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    Long-Winded Striped Mofo
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    Hey All!

    Haven’t been around much today (sleeping).

    Can I just say how much I love Frankie V! I think he could be this team’s savior!

    Satan81
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    imbiginjapan
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    Thetallest81
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    FLASH!

    AHHAHHH!

    SAVIOR OF THE UNIVERSE!

    Miss Muse
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    MadScientist72
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    MadScientist72

    Oh, god – here comes that fight again.
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    imbiginjapan
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    imbiginjapan

    Man he’s the best. So dreamy.

    The London Bear
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    Looks like Beleskey’s on nacho duty tonight, from line rushes. Not Hayes? hmm

    DrHandgrenaid
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    Hayes must have some very compromising pictures of Sweeney and Claude

    The BOB
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    The BOB

    Good news is, you can buy a whole lot of nachos for 3.8M!

    Miss Muse
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    They’ve benched Beleskey?! WOW.

    Satan81
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    *twitch*

    carvinbass18
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    I wish it was Hayes, but I’ve been so frustrated with Beleskey too that meh. Fine, hopefully this will wake him up.

    imbiginjapan
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    imbiginjapan

    Hypothesis – it was a tossup who to sit and Kuraly slotted best into Beleskey’s position. Hayes/Nash are right shots, Kuraly/Beleskey are lefts.

    carvinbass18
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    Agreed. Could also be the injury to the forearm from slamming into the post. #Carlshrug

    The London Bear
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    Good point – I forgot about that

    Thetallest81
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    Thetallest81

    yeayyyy more injuries!

    The London Bear
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    I think it was during the Detroit game, I noticed Acciari flying around the rink, smashing into everybody, and it reminded me of what Beleskey was like most of the time last season. The two of them seem to have swapped on-ice personas. (personae?)

    UnstableElement
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    UnstableElement

    I leave for an hour and now there’s a bar fight.

    Thetallest81
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    Thetallest81

    I wish there was a bar. Instead i have to do science.

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    Satan 81's Sister
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    DrHandgrenaid
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    Half of sciencing is bar related. Or really just liquor.

    Thetallest81
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    Thetallest81

    I believe thats called mixology….not to be confused with the other science…ologys..

    DrHandgrenaid
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    Satan 81's Sister
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    I think I may go back to working on tonight’s game thread.

    phonymahoney
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    I wish i read this before I spent my lunch on the game thread! Hahaha

    phonymahoney
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    Good morning!
    I’m a little late here, but…

  • Glad Heinen is being sent down. He hasn’t been terrible, but he’s generally been a non-factor.
  • Baseball outcome didn’t shake out the way I’d have preferred because I want Chicago to lose at everything and also I don’t feel bad for Cubs fans since their city has two baseball teams and they chose poorly. However, I’m glad Bill Murray is happy.
  • Kinda feeling crappy. Seasonal allergies, maybe.
  • Bought two dresses on eBay this week. When they came, I thought both were “meh”, but they’ve gone over very well at the office. Hmm.
  • I could use a nap, or more coffee.
  • BU has a home and home against Northeastern this weekend. Going to both. Good stuff.
  • UnstableElement
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    UnstableElement

    I did a NU-BU home and home once. Had fun but left that weekend disappointed. I miss being in old barn most weekends.

    IntentionallyWidenberg
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    I’ve been surprised that Heinen has stayed up as long as he has, but with Pasta & Backes & Czarnik all missing games, I can see Claude & Sweeney being slow to pull the trigger on sending him down.
    I guess Kuraly is the current tweener ?

    Hopefully Frankie V can come back for Xmas. This team needs more goal support.

    IntentionallyWidenberg
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    Frank Vatrano would provide more goal support than Heinen, Kuraly or any other Providence call-up. Discuss:
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    carvinbass18
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    Thetallest81
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    Thetallest81

    The probability of this statement is most likely true.

    phonymahoney
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    Definitely need more offense, BUT I think if we ever get Backes AND Pastrnak AND Bergeron ANS Visible Krejci to play at once, we might be able to hang on until Frankie is back.

    The BOB
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    The BOB

    Wow… you’d think Vatrano was an Ovechkin/Stamkos level talent or something. I get that he lit the AHL up last season but he only had 8 in 39 at NHL. At best he’s a 15-goal scorer this year given the time he’s missed. Nice to have but hardly a savior

    Miss Muse
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    He likes to shoot the puck though. On a power play, that’s pretty unheard of in Bruins-ville,

    carvinbass18
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    At best he’s a 15-goal scorer this year given the time he’s missed.

    Given the volume he shoots at though he’ll be responsible for probably 30+

    The BOB
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    The BOB

    Not sure I follow here… you saying goals off rebounds/deflections?

    DrHandgrenaid
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    Hes being a tad overoptimistic, but I’m pretty sure thats what he means

    The BOB
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    The BOB

    I might buy it if he had a decent number of assists at either level last year but that simply wasn’t the case. 3 in NHL, 19 in AHL (compared to 36 goals).

    He’s a finisher, not a generator.

    phonymahoney
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    He takes a TON of shots. That is a GOOD thing.

    carvinbass18
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    Yes

    The BOB
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    The BOB

    Fact is, he’s an unproven kid who is likely to be a 3rd liner with offensive upside. Not the kinda guy you pin your season’s offensive survival on…

    phonymahoney
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    He’s a volume shooter, it would likely make some kind of a difference – not a make or break the team kind of thing, but he would make a difference.

    Miss Muse
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    He may even INSPIRE others to SHOOT! :O

    carvinbass18
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    Guess I’m just optimistic then & hope the game Vatrano plays exceeds expectation.

    The BOB
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    The BOB

    I get being optimistic about the kid… 36 in 36 is impressive but it’s still just the AHL. Could easily be another Chris Bourque.

    Better to temper expectations and be pleasantly surprised if he exceeds them rather than enter into seasn expecting the kid to be an outright savior.

    carvinbass18
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    Oh I don’t think he’ll be a 30-30 player like that this year. But if he goes 15-8 and with his shooting is responsible for 10ish goals that he doesn’t get credit for on the score sheet by shooting & creating more chances off rebounds getting players running around that’s good for me. He’s not going to light the world on fire. I’m aware of that

    The BOB
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    The BOB

    Forgive me if I’m somehow wrong here but wouldn’t those created goals be reflected by assist totals? Burying rebounds or deflecting his shots would still get him points…

    DrHandgrenaid
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    I think he means that the volume shooting will also create chaos for the opposing defense and goaltender, allowing someone else to score without it necessarily being a direct rebound/deflection. I dunno.

    The BOB
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    The BOB

    At that point it would have to be 3 touches away from his shot… hard to believe a shot could have that lasting an impact…

    phonymahoney
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    And now we have reached the point where we are arguing for the sake of arguing.

    The BOB
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    The BOB

    In truth, I was trying to understand his point in general… how his shooting would create more offense without being reflected in his point totals. In most scenarios you get an assist for offense generated off your shot.

    phonymahoney
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    Rebounds create havoc. Possession changes and changes back again. Goals are scored.

    imbiginjapan
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    imbiginjapan

    well the league seems to think offsides that far back matter...

    (just playin’ devil’s advocate)

    The BOB
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    The BOB

    To me, that rule really should only be applied to those painfully obvious missed offsides, like when the player precedes the puck by a foot.

    Problem is, how do you legislate that? You have to implicitly justify slight offsides as being legal. Creates a nasty slope to slide down…

    IntentionallyWidenberg
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    There needs to be a limit. Complete ~3 passes, or allow ~20 seconds to pass and the offsides is negated.

    The BOB
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    The BOB

    That certainly make sense. Doesn’t cover the goofy scenario where a guy is a centimeter offsides on a rush, negating an immediate goal.

    Still would be definite progress though. Far too intelligent for the NHL to implement though…

    phonymahoney
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    Far too intelligent for the NHL to implement though…

    Amen.

    carvinbass18
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    allow ~20 seconds to pass and the offsides is negated.

    I really like this idea.

    imbiginjapan
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    Going off topic, but since that topic isn’t going anywhere anyway… Simplifying the ruleset would help. The back foot on/off the ice crap needs to go, and I’d advocate for making the blue line part of the offensive zone.
    In terms of challenged offsides all sports are going overboard. The simple solution is just don’t allow offsides to be challengeable by the coach, like the good old days, or at the least institute a time cap/number of touches cap. I mean we keep hearing how the league wants more goals then they throw roadblocks in the way.

    The BOB
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    The BOB

    Go back to the old days where the blue-line extended vertically. MUCH easier to review and no more arguing about when skate actually left the ice.

    Long-Winded Striped Mofo
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    Long-Winded Striped Mofo

    I’ve been around hockey a long time. Skate contact with the ice/ blue line has always been a thing

    carvinbass18
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    Go back to the old days where the blue-line extended vertically.

    I took this 100% literal and thought “How the hell did they skate through a blue wall….” wtf brain you know better than that.

    The BOB
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    The BOB

    Fantastic. Certainly makes for amusing imagery.

    Mind you, I’m basing my ‘old days’ comment off what I recall Jack Edwards saying

    Thetallest81
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    Thetallest81

    how hard is it to put a fucking cam in the boards along the blue line on both sides?????

    The BOB
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    The BOB

    If it makes you feel any better, the NFL is no different. Refuse to put cameras at the goallines. Too expensive. This from the multi-billion dollar league.

    At least in the NHL there are some technical challenges which would need to be overcome to enable such cameras.

    Thetallest81
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    like…a hole in a wall in four places that you stick a go pro in each one?

    Thetallest81
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    Thetallest81

    how about we let Vatrano play a full NHL season healthy as possible and then judge his numbers.

    This conversation is ridiculous.

    The BOB
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    The BOB

    THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT I’M SAYING!

    Thetallest81
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    no you are saying his previous numbers are indicative of him NOT performing.

    we dont know either way. Both arguments are valid, but there is no concrete answer because there is no REAL data to back up either claim. AHL is not NHL and less than Half a season does not make consistent performance or development.

    The BOB
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    The BOB

    I was never even critical of the kid, just saying I didn’t see him being the savior for the team’s offensive woes. Getting 15 goals in half a season after returning from significant injury would be pretty good for the kid.

    No straw man, no arguing for the sake or arguing. I read two comments as implying that Vatrano’s return would fix the offense and I just don’t see it given his limited sample size. Forgive me for expressing an opinion and disagreeing with the flock.

    Thetallest81
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    you keep using the word savior…no one has said that but you. All people have said is he will help the offence on his return which i dont see how you feel the need to turn that sentiment into “the savior of all woes”. He isnt going to help the defense, he isn’t gonna stop the other players from turning the puck over, he isnt going to stop people from getting injured….all people have said is he will help the teams offensive production when he gets back, which when you look at the body of work of Spooner and Heinen at LW thats not hard to do.

    Please stop pretending like anyone here is acting like anyone here has said he is going to come back and light up the goal light every night.

    The BOB
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    The BOB

    Sorry but to me, as I previously said, saying that the team needs to hang on until player X’s return implies savior. Thus my original comment, that it seemed like people thought the kid would save the offense.

    Thetallest81
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    well you see….this is where you fucked up your argument because your interpretation doesn’t mean its fact. No one said savior.

    How about you just ask the person who wrote it if he/she believes that he is going to be the savior instead of “interpreting” it the way you want it to read.

    The BOB
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    The BOB

    Did I say it was fact? No, no I didn’t. But thanks for putting words in my mouth.

    How else do you interpret saying “we might be able to hang on until Frankie is back.”?

    DrHandgrenaid
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    This:

    Wow… you’d think Vatrano was an Ovechkin/Stamkos level talent or something.

    is a textbook strawman response to this:

    This team needs more goal support.

    neither ‘more’ nor ‘support’ suggest that IW believes that Vatrano is any kind of savior. Ergo, straw man argument

    The BOB
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    The BOB

    Hey fucknuts, it wasn’t a direct response to the latter quote. It was a response to

    we might be able to hang on until Frankie is back.

    Like I previously said. Learn to read.

    DrHandgrenaid
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    Thetallest81
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    that quote you used there….its responding and adding to the one both he and i used in trying to give you reason and logic as to why you may be mistaken. No where in that one you just quoted does it say “savior” or “he is as good as stamkos”

    The BOB
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    The BOB

    Agreed. But the holding off til the return of player X implies player X better be someone pretty damned special, rather than some relative unknown.

    phonymahoney
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    Nah. I just meant that player X is more goal support, nothing more.

    Thetallest81
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    no one said special, they said “help” aka…add benefit.

    You know what would also help?

    Krejci back to full form.
    Backes back to full form.
    Krug back to full form.
    Doby back to full form.
    Pasta back from suspension.
    hell ill even argue K. Miller being back “helps” by providing an option for someone to eat TOI.

    imbiginjapan
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    Satan 81's Sister
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    You got an image to work! It’s a miracle!

    phonymahoney
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    Hahahahahaha

    imbiginjapan
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    I don’t know what the hell the problem is. If you click that broken image it takes directly to the image. So I am apparently handicapped in some way.

    imbiginjapan
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    Ok, so I think I just figured it out. If the url has a hidden frame wordpress craps out on it. I’d have to go one level deeper on that broken image to get it to work. I’ll have to remember to stick to giphy since its presentation is frameless.

    imbiginjapan
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    .gifception

    Satan 81's Sister
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    I feel your frustration. I couldn’t post images to save my life when the site was first created.

    phonymahoney
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    Oh my god. Me neither. Those were the days?

    Satan 81's Sister
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    It was comical. Especially all the emails, DMs, etc with instructions….and nope!

    carvinbass18
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    The BOB
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    I never once said that. I said his previous numbers don’t indicate he will be a savior. A position I’ve stayed consistent with.

    DrHandgrenaid
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    Says the one who crafted the original straw man argument. jesus.

    carvinbass18
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    Well Ill fucking shut up then.

    imbiginjapan
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    imbiginjapan

    These comment boxes are getting awfully skinny.

    The Once and Future Bagel Bruin
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    The Once and Future Bagel Bruin
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    tinybox

    DrHandgrenaid
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    Gotta refresh every now and then when things get out of hand

    DrHandgrenaid
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    Not saying I agree with the reasoning, just what I think hes arguing.

    Thetallest81
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    oh but heres the thing. he didnt just help provide shots on goal when NO ONE ELSE wanted to shoot the puck last year he also provided a spark of energy and speed to the team that greatly needed.

    Not everything is about individual goal performance. And i dont understand why this is even a discussion at all seeing how this team is definitely better with him than without, so who cares what his “projected numbers” might be….no matter what its better than our other options.

    The BOB
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    The BOB

    Team is better with him. No doubt about that. I just don’t get him being painted as some sort of savior… that the team just needs to hold on until he returns.

    He’s a useful piece but his return isn’t going to single-handedly turn the team around…

    Thetallest81
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    I dont think anyone has said he is some kind of Savior for all the team’s woes.

    I think the general feel is that he is the missing piece in the forward lines to put things back into correct form. The bruins are missing that LW person to put the puck on net if the role of Backes and/or Hayes is to post up/screen and play cleanup.

    Yes he no Stamkos, but he is what the team needs to fit into the role to make the team whole again.

    The BOB
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    “we might be able to hang on until Frankie is back.”

    How else do you read that kind of line? It’s the kind of thing you write about a Bergeron or Chara (in his prime)… you just want to survive his absence knowing his return will save you.

    phonymahoney
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    What I was implying was that the people who would be back from injury and suspension could provide at least some of the offensive oomph until Frankie is back. Kid brings a lot of energy. You read a bit much into my statement.

    The BOB
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    The BOB

    Their return to health/form will have the far greater impact than the return of Vatrano though.

    Thetallest81
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    BECAUSE HE IS ON THE TEAM AND NOT PLAYING.

    Hopefully Frankie V can come back for Xmas. This team needs more goal support.

    that is the actual quote. “the team needs more goal support”….and that is what he brings. Stop being argumentative for the sake of being argumentative.

    The BOB
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    The BOB

    Read the next response…

    You say ‘actual quote’ as though I fabricated it…

    carvinbass18
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    How do you like it inside my head? Hahaha

    Miss Muse
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    Dude, you need to change the wallpaper.

    carvinbass18
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    NEVER!

    I love my 50’s pin up batman wallpaper

    Thetallest81
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    i figured you for more of a stars and spaceships wallpaper kinda guy.

    carvinbass18
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    abso-fucking-lutely. I have no idea where 50’s pin up batman came from

    Thetallest81
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    carvinbass18
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    I think the important thing with Vatrano coming back means it’s going to put players into their right spots in the line-up. It moves Spooner back to 3C because we have a #3 LWer. It allows Beleskey to stick it out with Krejci or Spooner depending on where you put him. It gives Hayes a shooter that he can park it for rebound garbage goals. That’s the “saving grace” IMO, not his actual skill level

    DrHandgrenaid
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    This is the big issue- Vatrano going down really fucked with the team’s plan in the offseason (striking out with Vesey is also part of this). Starting the season with neither and without a concrete backup plan (which is a travesty, out organization LW depth is insane, but all the best ones are prospects with a decent bit of time before they’re ready)

    phonymahoney
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    yes yes yes yes yes

    Thetallest81
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    Thetallest81

    GET OUT OF MY HEAD.

    imbiginjapan
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    imbiginjapan

    At worst he’s a chance of revitalizing that crap third line.

    Thetallest81
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    Thetallest81

    If not the third, then definitely the second line.

    DrHandgrenaid
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    Also if Hayes is fired out of a cannon into the harbour and Beleskey gets his shit together

    Miss Muse
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    His dog is still cute but that’s about all that’s positive going on with him these days.

    Satan 81's Sister
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    How’s his charity work? (Did I do that right?)

    Miss Muse
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    He went to China… ?

    phonymahoney
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    Yes, those things too .

    Thetallest81
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    At least Hayes isnt turning the puck over and passing it to the wrong team on a regular basis.

    He is in the line to be shot out of a cannon…but i have others that are placed higher on that list right now.

    phonymahoney
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    Yes, those things too

    imbiginjapan
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    imbiginjapan

    Cannon? You need a spark to make fire. He’d just get the works all soggy and flop out like a dead fish.

    DrHandgrenaid
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    I’ll wrap him up in a tarp first and fire that sucker off quick

    imbiginjapan
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    imbiginjapan

    Shoot him into the sun, fix global warming.
    Man I am grumpy today. Election anxiety I think.

    MadScientist72
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    Extinguishing the sun is a bit of an extreme response to global warming, don’t you think?

    imbiginjapan
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    imbiginjapan

    No worries, he’ll miss wide anyway :p

    MadScientist72
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    MadScientist72

    Then we’d best not try that with McQuaid either. He’ll go over the glass & get a DoG.

    Thetallest81
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    Thetallest81

    he will get a dog? I bet Backes could help him get a good one.

    Satan 81's Sister
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    RECCH!

    Satan 81's Sister
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    It’s been a rough election for sure.

    carvinbass18
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    Ah sometimes you just need a cup of hot cocoa to make the day better

    The BOB
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    The BOB

    No alcohol and no caffeine… why bother?!

    phonymahoney
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    Maybe there’s some amaretto in it or something.

    carvinbass18
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    Maybe there’s some amaretto in it or something.

    I fucking wish. Nope, it’s rainy & miserable outside (and in) so I’m just looking for things to make me feel better instead of dwelling on this dump.

    Satan 81's Sister
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    Morning all. Congrats Cubs. And holy crap game 7, rain delay, and extra innings.

    The BOB
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    The BOB

    Officially voted… held me nose the entire time.

    Man it would be nice to have a real option…

    Satan 81's Sister
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    This will be me election day:

    Also probably this as well:

    IntentionallyWidenberg
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    I’m just hoping to find a bunker I can hide in to get through election day.

    imbiginjapan
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    imbiginjapan

    I’ve got my plan to hole up in Fort Alprazolam for the day.

    DrHandgrenaid
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    The ghosts of PBruins past consoling one another over the Cubs win.

    Sorry @carter_camper .

    — Colby Cohen (@ColbyCohen36) November 3, 2016

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