Morning Free Association: What the What?

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There’s a new rumour that’s going around about young David Pastrnak and where he might play hockey this season. It’s a bit distressing, disheartening, and disarming. Turns out, Pasta could play in the KHL.

Ty Anderson of WEEI wrote yesterday that the contract talks continue to go nowhere and that the 21 year-old winger could be heading for the KHL for the upcoming season.

According to KHL insider Aivis Kalnins, there’s been ‘rumblings’ that the 21-year-old Pastrnak could be bound for the KHL, and that he has offers on the table. Citing the Olympics as a possible motive for a move to the KHL, Pastrnak’s European agent also told Kalnins that “not much would change if we decided to go that direction for a year.”

Yeah, not much would change for Pasta but plenty would change for the Bruins, about 30 goals and 70 points or so. It’s not the first nor last time a player has used a KHL offer to leverage a team: most recently RFA Andreas Athanasiou looked ready to bolt to the KHL because the cap-strapped Red Wings cannot afford a big payday for him or anyone else. However, Sweeney seems to be repeating the same phrase over and over again: “We’re just going to continue to talk and try and find common ground.” I know that negotiations take a long time but it seems that the two sides aren’t even close. Is it truly an internal cap? Is it a matter of not offending other players whose contract money he would eclipse? Probably not; Brad has no problem with it.

“We all want to see each other be successful,” said Marchand. “He had a great year last year, so we’ll be very happy for him with whatever he ends up getting. The contract that he signs, Pasta’s going to make a lot of money, he’s a phenomenal player, he’s 21 years old, he’s going to have a long career. We all like to see each other be successful and do well and that’s the way the game goes.

“The league’s trending upwards and the contracts are getting higher and higher. You look around and some of the deals that were thrown out this summer for young guys, it wasn’t like that three or four years ago and that’s the way it is now. So again, we’re all very happy for one another, and whatever he gets is going to help other guys get more too. So that’s just the way it is.”

There’s no sense in delaying this signing any more. The Bruins can afford it. Donny, you haven’t failed us this way yet, please don’t start.

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Thetallest81
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Thetallest81

Hey all, Been a long few weeks at work, by the time i have time to come one everyone seems done for the day…..so, hi!

My dislike for Pasta’s agent grows more and more. If the 6×6 was a perceived slight by the Pasta camp, threatening to leave the team for a year with no compensation is a GIANT f.u. to the bruins in my opinion. To me that is an easy way to get blackballed by an entire league. If i were a GM i would be hesitant to sign a 20 yr old kid thats already playing games with the leagues loopholes.

This puts me in Sweeny’s camp, the Bruins cannot afford to lose Pasta and stay contenders but a part of me thinks Pasta is either unaware and getting used for a payday or he is aware of this and he is more about self worth then I expected. The original scouting report was that he was just a kid who loved the sport of hockey and would do his hardest to improve himself and prove to doubters he can be a change maker on the ice, to me if you just want to play you dont let your agent hold you hostage.

Meh.

phonymahoney
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Hey all, Been a long few weeks at work, by the time i have time to come one everyone seems done for the day…..so, hi!

This has been exactly my experience lately – I’ve been available around 10-11 and I don’t think anyone else is here after like 9:45!

I’m confused about your comment on Pasta and loopholes. Do you think his agent came up with the KHL thing? As far as I knew it was just a rumor.

Thetallest81
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Thetallest81

Well, im not sure the level of truths behind the rumors. But to me Leaving the NHL is newish way for people to form leverage that hasnt been addressed by the league yet. In the NHL a competing team has to give an offer sheet and doing so gives compensation to the team that loses a person under contract. I do not think losing a player to KHL gives compensation for asset loss, which is a big blow to the team.

IntentionallyWidenberg
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a part of me thinks Pasta is either unaware and getting used for a payday

Oh hell yeah, that is totally my read on it. Pasta is off in his own world, trusting in his manager to do the right thing (and probably being receptive to the argument that this contract will set his value for all future contracts), while his agent is putting the screws to the Bruins, trying to maximize his commission.

I find it very unlikely that a kid who expects to make $6-8million per season in the NHL is seriously considering work in the KHL as a viable alternative, just as he’s established himself as a top player in the NHL. It’s not the same as a guy who’s looking at a $3m contract and possibly being traded – (where a KHL team might actually be able to afford to pay him comparably, and where he would excel instead of being a middling guy).

MadScientist72
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MadScientist72

Agreed. I think Pasta’s just too naive about the business side of pro hockey to see that JP Barry’s using this contract to boost his own reputation as a tough negotiator at Pasta’s expense.

phonymahoney
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This I could see.

Satan 81's Sister
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Definitely agree with you here about his agent. Sense I get is his agent is more “give me what I asked for” and not so much willing to negotiate. Which I get because it’s more money in his pocket. But at what point is his stance going to hurt his client? Phony retweeted a reminder of what happened with Gaudreau:

Last Sept. Johnny Gaudreau was holding out for $8M/yr. He signed for $6.75M/yr in early Oct.

The London Bear
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The original scouting report was that he was just a kid who loved the sport of hockey and would do his hardest to improve himself and prove to doubters he can be a change maker on the ice

That’s certainly the impression I’ve always got watching him. His agent sounds like a real ballbreaker. Pasta’s probably not forceful enough to make himself heard with the guy.

Satan 81's Sister
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I can see that. I do get the feeling Pasta is leaving a lot of this up to his agent.

Thetallest81
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Thetallest81

samesies.

Long-Winded Striped Mofo
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Long-Winded Striped Mofo

So, I did bring two 750ml stainless steel bottles with me. One filled with Evan Williams, one filled with Eagle Rare. I needed it in my coffee. plus, there’s nothing like sitting by a fire, sipping bourbon, taking in the canyon views and watching the river flow…

Satan 81's Sister
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I’m getting the sense you really enjoyed your trip. smile

Long-Winded Striped Mofo
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Long-Winded Striped Mofo

A stop was made in Colorado, as well. Nuff said.

IntentionallyWidenberg
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KHL – Yeah, go play for a bankrupt club away from your friends. That sounds like a good idea. Better than making $6m in the most competitive league…. sure…

Long-Winded Striped Mofo
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Long-Winded Striped Mofo

Surprisingly, canyon water is dirty. Muddy. There was no way to really get clean out there. You could bathe in the river, but you still had a sort of sandy, silty coating on your body when you were done. We all got hotel rooms in Moab and showered multiple times when we got off the river.
We had awesome coolers to keep food in, and our menu was awesome. An ice cold beer after 20 miles of paddling in 100 degree heat is absolutely sublime!!!!!!

Long-Winded Striped Mofo
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Long-Winded Striped Mofo

Hey Pals!
Back from an epic trip. There’s no describing it. Just epic. 112 miles of Cataract Canyon on the Colorado River in my little 8 foot kayak. Just wow.
Pasta – I think I’m too far removed from the real world to make a call here. People arguing over how many millions they’re worth – meh. Just play hockey.
I have doubleheaders tonight and tomorrow! Yay! Can’t wait to skate AND, make some do re mi! Mostly to skate and be around hockey people, though. i missed hockey people.
For those interested, Schwartz will have fascinating coverage of the desert adventure on FB.
Hockey! I needs me some hockey!!!!!!

Thetallest81
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Thetallest81

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Satan81
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112 miles of Cataract Canyon…

Tough to see the view?

Long-Winded Striped Mofo
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Long-Winded Striped Mofo

We went to Canyonlands Nat’l Park the day before we started to look down from above at the river. The view from the river is incredible! Looking up at up to 2,000 feet of rock carved into every imaginable shape from the tall and elegant to the short and squat, round shapes, angular shapes…. gargoyle guardians perched on top of fantastic red rock walls. We had a full moon, as well, so the canyon walls were lit up at night. The light constantly changing as the sun or moon went behind canyon walls. Also, no one else around for miles and miles. We went without guides (because we’re nuts). Everything must be brought along, ie food, water, firebox, toilet (because leave no trace), tents,…. Some of the rapids needed an hour of scouting before attempting to paddle them. There were some large, brown trout in my boat after a couple of these rapids, if you know what I mean.

Satan81
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Long-Winded Striped Mofo
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Long-Winded Striped Mofo

Huh?

Long-Winded Striped Mofo
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Long-Winded Striped Mofo

Yup! You threw one by me. \_O_/
What can I say? I’m not awake yet.

Satan81
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Oh, I’m in a silly mood this morning and had my red bull early.

The London Bear
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Hey, welcome back. That trip sounds like a blast. I was a bit concerned you might be in Florida. You go there fairly often don’t you?

People arguing over how many millions they’re worth – meh. Just play hockey.

Amen to that

Long-Winded Striped Mofo
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Long-Winded Striped Mofo

I do go to Florida way too often. Jo’s daughter evacuated safely from Miami. One of our canyon crew lives in Tampa and her flight home was cancelled. She’s hoping to go home Wednesday.

The London Bear
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Well I guess that’s about as good news as can be hoped for.

Our news was saying for days that Tampa was going to be flattened, but they haven’t mentioned it again since the storm hit.

IntentionallyWidenberg
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The Cuban keys siphoned a lot of strength out of the storm, then it moved so slowly up the coast of FL, losing more strength and shifted further east.
By the time it hit Tampa, it was Cat-2 at best and the eyewall missed there entirely.
Which made me feel a lot better about it, since my dad lives out that way.

Rivers are flooded, and power outages were absurdly massive.

Florida is in much better shape to absorb hurricanes now, since in the aftermath of hurricane Andrew, every building built in the last 20 years has to be built to withstand a direct hit from a Cat-3. Also, Florida gets a lot of brush-by storms so they have decent storm-prep awareness in general.

The London Bear
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Ah, thanks for that. Hopefully everything’s back up and running again before too long.

Satan 81's Sister
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Welcome back!

Long-Winded Striped Mofo
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Long-Winded Striped Mofo

Thanks! B2B is one of the few things I missed!!!!

phonymahoney
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Morning, pals!

Ah, the ol’ KHL trick… ugh. He’s worth $8m. Offer $7.5×8. If that doesn’t work, up the ante to 8×8.
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The London Bear
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Then hope it doesn’t blow up in our face wink

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Satan 81's Sister
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Well done you two.

phonymahoney
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Classic!

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