Morning Free Association: June 7, 2018

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Last week, TSN had a week long examination of the concussion lawsuit being filed against the NHL. There have been many depositions given by all sorts of hockey ops personnel, many of which are known names but only a handful of owners. Unfortunately, one of the owners is the longtime owner of the Boston Bruins, Jeremy Jacobs.

Jacobs was subjected to a seven-hour-long deposition in which he seemed to not only deny any knowledge of CTE (chronic traumatic encephalopathy) in athletes, he seems to be stuck on the idea that CTE is something only observed after death, that it’s from dead brains. Watch the video in this article to see.

It seems unlikely that an owner of any sports team that promotes such aggressive contact between players would be unaware of this degenerative brain disease, especially since there has been much media focus on it, movies made about a pathologist who discovered this in post-mortem examination of football player’s brains, and that there is an institute at Boston University dedicated to studying this. How far out of touch does Jacobs have to be to not know any of this?

Well, apparently, it’s not just him.

“If we take these owners at their word, and they really don’t know what CTE is, it just makes the owners look like dilettantes,” said Jodi Balsam, a former NFL league lawyer who now teaches at Brooklyn Law School in New York. “These teams are businesses that earn and lose tens of millions of dollars and the idea that they wouldn’t keep themselves up to date on the science and medical developments that affect their most important assets is remarkable to me.”

According to testimony that hasn’t be redacted, team officials like Glen Sather have admitted to paying little attention to tracking concussions since they expected the players to be around for 1-2 seasons. Or Brandan Shanahan had had players talk to him personally about their fear of brain injury when he was the head of the Department of Player Safety, players he conveniently forgot about later.

The NHL comes off as willingly ignoring the science while trying to build their sport even dismissing traumatic brain injury as only a football thing. While not understanding the exact science of CTE is understandable as the knowledge is constantly evolving, just pretending they know nothing won’t make it go away.

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MadScientist72
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While not understanding the exact science of CTE is understandable as the knowledge is constantly evolving, just pretending they know nothing won’t make it go away.

NHL owners “don’t know” about their sport causing CTE in the same way that tobacco companies spent all those years “not knowing” about their product causing lung cancer. The tobacco companies knew full well what their product was doing to people, but they wanted to make as much money as possible before everyone else saw incontrovertible evidence of the fact. So it was “deny, deny, deny” and do everything they could to suppress and/or discredit anyone trying to get the facts out. The NHL owners are doing the same thing now.

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Morning, hockey pals!

  • Happy birthday to former Bruins Looch, and Beleskey!
  • I only remember Looch’s because it’s the day after Cam’s, and I only remember Beleskey’s because he and Looch were born on the same day.
  • Looking at apartments is tiring. Wherever I go, I need to stay there a while.
  • Is it weird that I’m considering putting everything that isn’t clothes or my bed in storage? Does that mean I should just get rid of everything?
  • Ellen! I just realized I haven’t seen you in your Team Poland picnic table jersey, hahahahahaah
  • JEremy Jacobs is an ass.
  • 10:15 and I’ve done no work so far.
  • Satan 81's Sister
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    Satan 81's Sister

    Hahahaha! And don’t forget you will see me Sunday! (Though maybe not looking like a Polish picnic table!)

    Satan 81's Sister
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    Satan 81's Sister

    Morning all. Started this comment about 45 minutes ago but then ALL THE THINGS had to happen.

    Long-Winded Striped Mofo
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    Long-Winded Striped Mofo

    Hey Pals!
    Wasn’t content with being almost fixed, so I went back to the chiroquscktor and got all my pain back…..or, at least most of it. Right now, death seems like the best option……at least I could sleep, no? No, probably not. Where I’m going the pain is real, so I’ll stick with the pain I know!!!

    The London Bear
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    The London Bear

    Ah that’s no good. Do they know what the problem is? Hope you feel better soon.

    Satan 81's Sister
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    Satan 81's Sister

    Ouch! Hope it goes away again!

    phonymahoney
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    phonymahoney

    Ugh. Back stuff is the worst.

    IntentionallyWidenberg
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    It’s surprising how painful it can get.

    At least for me, doing back exercises have helped improve most of my issues within just a few days. I’ve been vaguely sore for much of the past few months, because I can’t take my usual times to do back exercises ever since we got our dog. If I try to do them before going to bed, she has to join me, and if I try to lay down on the floor, she comes over and licks my face, trying to get me to play with her.

    Long-Winded Striped Mofo
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    Long-Winded Striped Mofo

    I’ve been through every stretch and flexibility exercise I can think of! Nothing has helped. Going back to chiroman monday. Fingers crossed til then

    MadScientist72
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    Have you tried one of those inversion table thingies?
    Or how about amputating at the neck? I hear that fixes all sorts of health problems.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-4TRMFpqVM

    The London Bear
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    Morning.

    Hmm that’s a heavy subject. Obviously concussions are a serious issue but it’s hard to know what they can do to reduce it without completely changing the sport (like making hits illegal for example). There are a lot of sports that involve being hit on the head – boxers, jockeys, rugby players, racing drivers. I guess all you can do is make sure the participants are aware what they’re risking.

    Yesterday we finished off our big World Cup (soccer) preview. To celebrate we went out for an Indian meal. I love hot and spicy food but mine was a bit too lively and I’m paying for it this morning! (TMI? Sorry)

    Long-Winded Striped Mofo
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    Long-Winded Striped Mofo

    TMC!!!!! Too much curry? Not sure if you’,re a fan of “MrsBrown’s Boys”, but any mention.of too spicy Indian food brings this episode to mind.

    The London Bear
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    The London Bear

    Yeah that’s pretty accurate grin

    Satan 81's Sister
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    Satan 81's Sister

    Haha! Yeah, spicy food is wonderful but the next morning can be rough!

    phonymahoney
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    (like making hits illegal for example)

    I know hitting still happens in women’s hockey, but it’s not the same checking game, and they have a ton of concussion problems, too. Unfortunately, it’s a risk in a contact sport.

    The London Bear
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    they have a ton of concussion problems, too

    Really? I didn’t know that. Anything that involves going faster than a walk and in proximity to others presents a concussion risk, I guess. I saw the Liverpool goalie from the Champions League footy final was diagnosed with a concussion after the game – and he had suffered it quite early in the game, so I understand.

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    Soccer/footy/futbol is supposedly the worst sport for concussion risk – I suppose that hitting the ball with one’s head even a tiny bit off center is probably a huge factor.
    It always amazed me how hard the ball is considering it’s kicked at people and smacked with the forehead, etc.

    The London Bear
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    The London Bear

    Yeah, one of our footy writers has been saying for years that he thinks heading should be taken out of the game.

    It’s surprisingly easy to pick up facial injuries from soccer balls:
    https://youtu.be/c17aeF7JxAg

    IntentionallyWidenberg
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    Oh yeah, I hate it when that happens. lol

    phonymahoney
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    I should’t say a ton of concussion problems, more like, they get a ton of concussions

    MadScientist72
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    There are a lot of sports that involve being hit on the head – boxers, jockeys, rugby players, racing drivers.

    There’s evidence now that repeated hits to the head can cause CTE, even without concussions.
    http://www.bu.edu/today/2018/cte-caused-by-head-injuries/

    I hit my head on things all the time (6’4″), so I’m totally screwed!

    The London Bear
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    The London Bear

    wow